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This podcast episode features Gus Speth, author of "They Knew: The U.S. Federal Government's 50-Year Role in Causing the Climate Crisis," discussing the federal government's active and knowing contribution to the climate crisis from the Johnson administration through Trump. Speth argues that the government, despite being well aware of climate science and available alternatives since the Carter years, consistently sustained, expanded, and facilitated the fossil fuel economy. This historical account serves as the basis for a constitutional lawsuit brought by Our Children's Trust, aiming to establish the government's obligation to protect future generations from climate devastation, a right currently violated by its actions.
The episode delves into the reasons behind this systemic resistance to climate action, refuting the common explanation of scientific uncertainty. Speth highlights the immense political power of the fossil fuel industry, which has influenced public understanding through disinformation campaigns and swayed politicians through financial contributions. Other contributing factors include a societal addiction to economic growth, perceived as threatened by a shift away from fossil fuels, and a powerful anti-government, anti-regulation ideology rooted in figures like Ronald Reagan. This combination of forces has created significant inertia, preventing meaningful progress despite scientific consensus and growing public concern.
Speth details a recurring pattern of three administrations (Carter, Clinton/Gore, Obama) attempting to address climate change, only to have their efforts undermined by subsequent, often Republican, administrations (Reagan, George W. Bush, Trump). This cyclical failure underscores the need for new approaches, moving beyond "comfortable advocacy" and "good science" alone. The discussion emphasizes the critical role of youth activism, exemplified by groups like the Sunrise Movement and Extinction Rebellion, and the potential for judicial intervention, as seen in the Juliana case, to mandate climate action that transcends political cycles.
Looking forward, the conversation touches on hopeful signs such as improved media coverage linking extreme weather to climate change, increased climate victimization leading to lawsuits against fossil fuel giants, and the emergence of initiatives like the Green New Deal. However, significant challenges remain, including the potential for the Biden administration's climate agenda to be thwarted and the looming threat of geopolitical tensions, particularly with China, hindering essential international collaboration. The need for massive civil mobilization, judicial intervention, and multilateral financial assistance for global energy transitions is presented as crucial to avert the worst consequences of a crisis that is already beyond a "good result."
"the book is not enjoyable... it's a difficult read but it's a and a sad story but there are some sad difficult stories that need to be told."
"the federal government has knowingly continued to and perpetuated and expanded the U.S. fossil economy with the result that we have knowingly put into the atmosphere tremendous amounts of greenhouse gas."
"the science was really well understood... the basic outlines of it were well understood in 1980 say."
"the tremendous political power of the fossil fuel industry which has not only affected public understanding of the issue... but you also have a lot of scared politicians."
"we are hooked on growth and when you have an economy that's fueled 80 90 about fossil fuels... people are scared to touch that."
"we squandered the last four decades and the theme of the book is that a theme of the book is that we knew enough in the Carter administration... to argue that there should be an upper bound on the buildup of greenhouse gases."
"what the litigation is seeking to do is to establish a constitutional principle that the federal government has to protect future generations and current and currently young people from climate devastation."
"our comfortable advocacy which is the path that I've been on is not enough and we need a massive civil mobilization."
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